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Dave
21-01-2009, 22:24
Ignore the ratings, coolness, and the old and new years!

I'm posting these because sometimes, just because the ultimate boss on a Sonic game is easy, doesn't mean he looks like a big menace!

Eggman:
Yes, everybody knows who he is, in fact, he has appear in almost any sonic game, he was a headache on the old genesis times, but now he's just the comic relief, but he still have his fans; he has created too many machines, he has a counter part, and he has shown that if Sonic wasn't in the world, he could already be the leader of it.

Chaos:
He has appear in 4-5 games, even if he was a cameo enemy, or the boss of actual Adventure; he's a god (and a super-sized Chao), and was Eggman's first "mytical creature discovering"; he gave the Chaos emeralds the name that we know now.

Emerl:
Appearing in only two game physically, this Gyzoid is able to copy every attack, at some point, he could be invincible, but fighting him with some moves that he hasn't copied can be a good point for you.

Biolizard:
Claimed by many to be the hardest boss, he was going to destroy the earth by using the Ark as a meteor, it took 2 hedgehogs to destroy it, meaning that he was very strong, a prototype of Shadow the hedgehog too, and invincible thanks to his red lifesaver

Solaris:
(Ok, stop throwing rocks at me for naming him)
The god of time in the distan Soleanna, he's the only one that has killed Sonic, and it took 3 hedgehog to be stopped, he could be the world destruction, but by "turning off the light" he dissapeared from existance.

Metal Sonic:
One of Eggman's creations, appearing in the Sonic movie and as the boss of Heroes, he has the same speed as sonic, and has been deadly since the beggining, he might notappear in all games, but he's someone worth a fight.

Other:
Ok, i know i didn't mention Nack the Weasel, Eggman Nega, Erazor Djinn, Dark Brotherhood, Dark Gaia or the comic characters, so please name your character that you think was the greatest Sonic Enemy.


Please vote, say what do you think about the bosses, and ignore "the worst game" thing :)

Dr Shaneman
21-01-2009, 22:34
Eggman/Robotnik hands down.
His looks and voice are just great. His quotes make him what he is and he has provided some of the best boss fights. Most memorable for me being the Egg Viper from Sonic Adventure.

Sherlock
21-01-2009, 23:10
Eggman/Robotnik hands down.
This. I know he's become more of a joke in the last few games, but in Unleashed (of what I've heard) he's a real pain again, and although not the final boss, he doesn't team up with Sonic at all. Like he apparently does in others. *coughsonicchroniclesadvanceetccough*

Anyway.

I secondly voted for "Other", as in Nack the Weasel aka Fang the Sniper. I choose him, as well, because he's one of the more underrated enemies, and unfortunately has gone under radar since Sonic the Fighters. He had a really cool character concept, being a mercenary using guns (although popguns in StF) and riding a hovermachine. A real jerk, as well. And don't you forget his trademark tripping (that almost CRIES for an inclusion in Brawl xD).
I always liked Nack much as a villain because he just had the personality of one. He wasn't a feral beast or a scheming mastermind. He just was a jerk. With guns. And a love for money. Gotta love that. Oh, and he was purple, too. <3

Reknoc
21-01-2009, 23:13
Sonic.

I have a theory, I think really Sonic is the badguy in all of this. For all we know those animals are happy working as robots, and Sonic is going about destorying their happiness and wrecking Robotniks shit when the dude's just trying to make people happy. Think about it, in Sonic...2? Robotnik runs away from Sonic but Sonic doesn't catch up, why? Because Sonic is such a dick and is having so much fun ruining Robotniks plans for a brighter future.

Tails_1986
21-01-2009, 23:18
Voted Eggman. He's a great enemy to fight and he's a major threat when he's not serving as comic relief.

Omega Knuckles
22-01-2009, 00:47
I'll vote for Dr. Ivo Julian Robotnik simply for the nostalgia factor and that even though he's been beaten at least 20 times now, and he still somehow pulls fleets of warships,doomsday devices, and robots out of his ass on a consistent basis. If it weren't for Sonic, He'd rule the bloody world by now and there'd be PRRRRROMOTIONs for all of his subjects.

I am voting for ROBOTNIK , NOT EGGMAN


This guy for those unaware -->http://i42.tinypic.com/j606qu.png

Dr Shaneman
22-01-2009, 00:50
Another reason I voted, the Egg Beetle was a fun boss in Unleashed.

Dave
22-01-2009, 03:56
Off Topic: I love that phrase!!! (Maybe I could put a PPPRRRROOOMMOOOOTIOOON on Eggman, as he looks a lot like one big enemy)

Sonicdude1995
22-01-2009, 07:35
Metal Sonic because in Sonic Heroes, Sonic and friends have a very hard time defeating him!

sonicfanRICH
22-01-2009, 12:12
Metal Sonic is the coolest enemy for Sonic. (remembers race from Sonic CD)

Rayne
22-01-2009, 12:48
Sonic's greatest enimy = 3D

Dr Shaneman
22-01-2009, 13:55
Sonic's greatest enimy = 3D
His worst enemy you mean :P.

Kaito-kun
22-01-2009, 14:41
Sonic's greatest enimy = 3D
Dammit Rayne; I was going to say that!

Alright then, Plan B...A chap in a landrover on the A66. Enemy of all hedgehogs. (I hate having to use the back-up jokes...)

But anyway, I voted Eggman. I don't know why, I just like him as a villain.

Rayne
22-01-2009, 17:22
Dammit Rayne; I was going to say that!

Alright then, Plan B...A chap in a landrover on the A66. Enemy of all hedgehogs. (I hate having to use the back-up jokes...)

But anyway, I voted Eggman. I don't know why, I just like him as a villain.

Haha :D I was amazed I was the first one to say it

Master hunter
23-01-2009, 00:45
Metal Sonic, as he has a dick like a chainsaw and he'll cut you in half (Kudos to anyone who gets that. If you don't search for "LOSER, Genesis" and then look for "Sonic").

Still going with MS due to the Stardust speedway race. Best boss ever.

Killer French Bread
23-01-2009, 13:34
Wanted to vote Robotnik. Couldn't find him on list. Am now leaving topic disappointed.

Dr Shaneman
23-01-2009, 14:58
No one said Scratch or Grounder yet? XD

DarkHedge
23-01-2009, 15:20
For obvious reasons I will say that Eggman's greatest creation, Metal Sonic, is by far the best enemy for Sonic. Because, just like Bass from Megaman did with his creator Wily, he gets rebellious against his creator, lives only to fight his rival, and on top of this, has tremendeous power.

He, more ever than ShadEMOw, is a perfect rival in terms of speed, of resemblance, and yet both are very different. Shadow to me, although I like this character, is a failed attempt of a Metal Sonic effect. Heroes dishonored Metalla however, by transforming him into a giant, metallic dragon, slow, static in his primary forms, perfectly copying yet not equaling Perfect Chaos. Exactly not what he was intended to be.

I also voted Chaos, because I love the Chaos Emeralds, and on top of this, not only it's a "modified" Chao but it's also a divinity. He is slow yet powerful, he doesn't talk because he has no need to. THIS is the kind of enemy that deserves to be a big horrible monster as time goes. Because god entities, like dragons, deserve to be powerful.

For less obvious reasons I also voted Emerl, because this is the proof, along with Eggman's stubbornry, that potentially, Sonic can be beaten by himself, like anyone else the orange robot learns of. At the end, he becomes awfully powerful, and that reminds me of a theory of how would behave human creations, no matter how great they are, and no matter what it was created for, if you let these get too much power for the sole, immature purpose of domination, it leads to destruction. But as Sonic Battle was intended to be a game, Sonic gets in and wins. Without even a Super Form (and this is really, really abused).

Wolfdemon59
23-01-2009, 22:12
Robotnik all the way! Metal Sonic is my second choice :O (sry for shot response)

SegaShinja
15-03-2009, 10:44
Metal Sonic does it for me, but not really as a separate bad guy from Robotnik like in Heroes.

7Force
15-03-2009, 13:07
I vote Robotnik (Eggman is a silly name)

And Robotnik from the SATAM cartoon.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5778/satamrobotnik.jpg (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=satamrobotnik.jpg)

He was pure evil.

DarkHedge
15-03-2009, 13:40
After all, Sonic's nemesis is intended to be silly, no? X)

Wolf
15-03-2009, 17:38
So ok everyone knows sonics enemy Dr.Eggman but im starting to think that he has so many enemys but i never thought that emerl was sonics enemy all i know for sure that sonic was helping out emerl in sonic battle.but what game did emerl hate sonic?

Sherlock
15-03-2009, 17:56
So ok everyone knows sonics enemy Dr.Eggman but im starting to think that he has so many enemys but i never thought that emerl was sonics enemy all i know for sure that sonic was helping out emerl in sonic battle.but what game did emerl hate sonic?

Don't mistake Emerl for Gemerl.

SegaShinja
15-03-2009, 19:51
So ok everyone knows sonics enemy Dr.Eggman but im starting to think that he has so many enemys but i never thought that emerl was sonics enemy all i know for sure that sonic was helping out emerl in sonic battle.but what game did emerl hate sonic?

Beat the game and you'll see what they're talking about.

Gavvie
15-03-2009, 20:38
Out of the options that poll presents, I'm tempted to say either Eggman or Metal Sonic, purely because they're both very important enemies. The others have only really been in one game.

I'm gonna think on this and get back to you :p

Kool Chao
15-03-2009, 21:28
Dr. Robotnik all the way! Yes, all the really epic fights were against him. Even it this 3D age, the Egg Viper still holds a special place in my heart as THE ultimate final boss fight.

Rayne
15-03-2009, 22:30
BIOLIZZARD!

Not only is it the coolest boss fight ever, the damn thing refused to die! :P A horrible fight with Shadow and then a double team with Super Sonic and Hyper Shadow while hurtling through space toward earth WITH A SPACE STATION STUCK TO ITS ASS?!

Hardcore.

Reknoc
15-03-2009, 22:40
BIOLIZZARD!

Not only is it the coolest boss fight ever, the damn thing refused to die! :P A horrible fight with Shadow and then a double team with Super Sonic and Hyper Shadow while hurtling through space toward earth WITH A SPACE STATION STUCK TO ITS ASS?!

Hardcore.

If only it wasn't so laughably easy. Cept when you fight it with shadow, argh!

Gavvie
15-03-2009, 22:46
Yeah, the first battle against Biolizard was very frustrating. The fight against Final Hazard was good though.

Adam Novagen
16-03-2009, 16:08
Yes indeed, the Biolizard was tough; mainly because of the freakin' glitches. I think we all remember what happens if you try to do a homing attack right after you land on the ground, having punched one to the BL; Shadow gets all screwed up & goes in the wrong direction. And that %#*&$ RIVER!!!!! :mad:

The Finalhazard was E-A-S-Y, though. Also, I always like to finish by switching characters; if you play the boss straight, one hit each time, then Shadow has the last blow, and I prefer to have Sonic do the final strike. :guitar:

Rayne
16-03-2009, 18:22
The dialogue could have used a little work...

"HERE I COME YOU CREEP!"

"TAKE THAT YOU CREEP!"

"SHADOW! ARE YOU OK-HERE I COME YOU CREEP!"

"SONIC, THE WORLD'S ABOUT TO END, GET THAT CREEP!"

"WE GOT THAT CREEP"

...:blink:

Kool Chao
16-03-2009, 21:00
The dialogue could have used a little work...

"HERE I COME YOU CREEP!"

"TAKE THAT YOU CREEP!"

"SHADOW! ARE YOU OK-HERE I COME YOU CREEP!"

"SONIC, THE WORLD'S ABOUT TO END, GET THAT CREEP!"

"WE GOT THAT CREEP"

...:blink:
"Sonic, be sure to come back to the Ark to get some rings... Before you go and kill that creep":P

Gavvie
16-03-2009, 21:04
Well, Sonic Team never have been known for their top notch scriptwriting, have they?

Dr Shaneman
16-03-2009, 21:31
I sucked at the Final Hazard the first time, not so bad now. The only thing that makes the Biolizard hard is the homing attack glitch which is what also makes the Egg Golem slightly annoying.

7Force
16-03-2009, 22:14
BIOLIZZARD!

Not only is it the coolest boss fight ever, the damn thing refused to die! :P A horrible fight with Shadow and then a double team with Super Sonic and Hyper Shadow while hurtling through space toward earth WITH A SPACE STATION STUCK TO ITS ASS?!

Hardcore.
Now that was a good boss fight. I liked the music on the biolizard fight and the second fight with the space station stuck to its ass as Rayne puts it nicely was a good one since it had Live & Learn playing during the fight. That just made it epic.

Rayne
16-03-2009, 22:18
Now that was a good boss fight. I liked the music on the biolizard fight and the second fight with the space station stuck to its ass as Rayne puts it nicely was a good one since it had Live & Learn playing during the fight. That just made it epic.

That's what made it epic for me too ;) that music blasting from the speakers, I flew about in circles just to hear the whole track XD

Tails_1986
16-03-2009, 22:35
Now that was a good boss fight. I liked the music on the biolizard fight and the second fight with the space station stuck to its ass as Rayne puts it nicely was a good one since it had Live & Learn playing during the fight. That just made it epic.

It's an awesome song and that fight was the perfect setting for it. That was probably the boss fight I replayed the most just for fun.

Sonicdude1995
23-03-2009, 13:45
The FinalHarzard is one of the most memorable final fights ever! With Live & Learn in the background music and the simple and easy controls, it's one my favourite Final Bosses!

Hairookami Kaimetsu
25-03-2009, 00:30
I don't know why, but I liked Mephiles the best.

Pure evil awesomeness.

MrEthernex
07-04-2009, 08:46
Have to go Eggman.

If he can piss off Sonic and co. for so many years...he's pretty bad (not in the cool way (although he's awright)).

WindGain
09-04-2009, 16:47
I don't know what happened but when I wanted to see who voted what, I saw my name in Eggman, Chaos, Emerl, and Metal Sonic but I don't remember picking all four of them and I thought you could only pick one choice.

richarddavies
09-04-2009, 16:49
Yes you can vote more than one choice if you wish.

Killer French Bread
09-04-2009, 16:57
Can't one of the mods change 'Eggman' (ugh, it hurts just to type it out) to the rightful title? Lets see some RadioSega justice.

richarddavies
09-04-2009, 17:13
Agreed. Will that do you?

Thinking about it aren't both names right? It just depends on your region your from? To be fair though I think everyone that frequents this forum would or rather should know him as Robotnik as that's his name in the western versions of the games.

mazonemayu
09-04-2009, 17:18
Mario :P

richarddavies
09-04-2009, 17:22
^ XD Yeah I think he is the greatest enemy Sonic's ever had.

Killer French Bread
09-04-2009, 17:49
Agreed. Will that do you?


It certainly will.

Gavvie
09-04-2009, 18:26
It doesn't suit me. I think we should be proper proper and call him Dr. Ovi Kintobor!

Killer French Bread
09-04-2009, 18:32
A bit contraversial that, could potentially cause a site splitting schism.

But first, lets at least agree on a three day mandatory suspension for anyone caught using the dreaded E word henceforth.

Gavvie
09-04-2009, 18:35
Enemy? Explosion? Extra-terrestrial? Egg-Robo?

I'm not too sure Mark would approve of me banning people mentioning egg men, but I'll run it by him all the same XD

Dr Shaneman
09-04-2009, 21:48
Enemy? Explosion? Extra-terrestrial? Egg-Robo?

I'm not too sure Mark would approve of me banning people mentioning egg men, but I'll run it by him all the same XD

Who's this Mark guy? :P

KyTheKnight
02-05-2009, 21:12
If you ask me, Eggman was and always will be the best ememy for Sonic.

If he wasn't the boss himself, he was often the cause for the boss actually being there. e.g-in Sonic Unleashed, he awakened Dark Gaia early, causing all the mayhem that happened in Sonic Unleashed leading right up to Perfect Dark Gaia.

Not to mention, he kinda makes you laugh, so it's the best of both in a way for Eggman.

Kaito-kun
02-05-2009, 21:16
If you ask me, Eggman was and always will be the best ememy for Sonic.
Oh dear...If I were you I'd run before people start shouting about the whole Robotnik/Eggman thing...

Oh, welcome to the forums.

mudokon100
02-05-2009, 21:23
As far as I'm aware, Robotnik and Eggman are NOT the same person.
Maybe I'm just misinterpreting the information, but Ivo Robotnik, the one who created Shadow, and also the original villian from the Genesis/Megadrive games, is different from Eggman. In fact, Ivo may even be Eggman's grandfather. Or... something. I dunno. But I'm pretty sure they are different people.

Anyway, I voted for Robotnik. Metal Sonic could have come a close second, if it included the Sonic 2 and StF versions. They were nigh unbeatable... the former i think actually was for me.

Kaito-kun
02-05-2009, 21:27
As far as I'm aware, Robotnik and Eggman are NOT the same person.
Maybe I'm just misinterpreting the information, but Ivo Robotnik, the one who created Shadow, and also the original villian from the Genesis/Megadrive games, is different from Eggman. In fact, Ivo may even be Eggman's grandfather. Or... something. I dunno. But I'm pretty sure they are different people.
You're thinking of Gerald Robotnik, he's the grandfather of Dr. Ivo Robotnik (A.K.A Dr. Eggman) and also the one who created Shadow. Gerald Robotnik only appears in Sonic Adventure 2 as far as I'm aware.

mudokon100
02-05-2009, 21:47
Ah, thankyou. That clears that up.
He appears in cutscenes during Shadow the Hedgehog, as well. That's where I knew from, but it's been over a year since I played so... I'm sure you can forgive my innaccuracy.

Kaito-kun
02-05-2009, 21:50
Ah, thankyou. That clears that up.
He appears in cutscenes during Shadow the Hedgehog, as well. That's where I knew from, but it's been over a year since I played so... I'm sure you can forgive my innaccuracy.
You've not done anything you need to be forgiven for. Relax a little, mate.

I've never played Shadow the Hedgehog. The thought of one of the main characters from the Sonic universe running around with guns made me die a little inside.

mudokon100
02-05-2009, 22:11
Seriously? For me it was a most welcome change. And that you could choose what side to take - help the good guys, destroy the world, or just do your own thing.

Tails_1986
02-05-2009, 23:13
Seriously? For me it was a most welcome change. And that you could choose what side to take - help the good guys, destroy the world, or just do your own thing.

And don't forget the happy feeling felt when, no matter which side you choose, everyone tries to kill you.:P

The inclusion of the guns didn't bother me much ... the over usage, yes.

sonicfanRICH
03-05-2009, 06:46
^^ Oh yeah, I loved that. "What are you doing?! Don't kill them!" Well, they attacked me first...It's cuz Shadow's black ain't it?

mudokon100
03-05-2009, 16:52
Admittedly I did go around and kill EVERYONE the majority of the time. I just left 1 alive on the side I was on. Unless I was neutral. In which case EVERYONE IN MY WAY MUST DIE!
Hang on, should Shadow technically count as a villian then? He fights sonic, even kills him if you go down the evil route... surely that's villian worthy?

SuperMatt723
03-05-2009, 22:41
Sonic's greatest enemy? All of the Gaming critics out to put his games down. :P

Dr Shaneman
03-05-2009, 23:24
Admittedly I did go around and kill EVERYONE the majority of the time. I just left 1 alive on the side I was on. Unless I was neutral. In which case EVERYONE IN MY WAY MUST DIE!
Hang on, should Shadow technically count as a villian then? He fights sonic, even kills him if you go down the evil route... surely that's villian worthy?
No because the real ending is "The Last Way".

sonicfanRICH
04-05-2009, 04:33
Shadow is more of a rival than a villian.

mudokon100
04-05-2009, 13:45
Oooooh he's an anti-hero...
"The worst kind of villian". He wouldn't be allowed on the sonic evil council (although it's more likely he'd turn them down!)

Gavvie
04-05-2009, 17:33
I think Shadow would work well as an Anti-Sonic. It's actually quite a shame that the angle they'd portrayed for him at the beginning of Sonic Adventure 2 wasn't the direction his character actually went.

As I said to Sherlock yesterday though, his entire state of mind needs to change. It's alright mourning the loss of a loved one and wanting to find your place in the world, but after 6 or 7 years, you'd think he'd know what his goal in life is.

Dr Shaneman
04-05-2009, 20:31
Yeah he should join a gang and go around in some sports car already.

mudokon100
04-05-2009, 20:48
I'm waiting for a sequel to Shadow the Hedgehog in which he snaps and goes on a homicidal rampage.
T'would be satisfying. Especially if I get to kill some of the other mainstream characters in the process >:D

Dr Shaneman
04-05-2009, 21:01
What I want to know is why men only died in that game...
I want to shoot women too O:

Kaito-kun
04-05-2009, 21:13
What I want to know is why men only died in that game...
I want to shoot women too O:
I think you should go into politics Doc:
Dr. Shaneman: Anti-discrimination. Pro-Murder.

Dave
04-05-2009, 22:05
Back after months, and the winner keeps being Eggman... I liked the idea of Emerl, but anyway.
(Dr. Ivo Robotnik? I don't remember putting that name, but still, he's called what he's called)

Ok, just to let everyone now, Dr. Ivo Robotnik (or Dr. Eggman) it's the official name of Sonic Arch-nemesis outside Japan since the beginning, but, since Sonic Adventure, SEGA of Japan decided to his the name with the other one for the rest of the world; So yeah, he's Dr Ivo Robotnik, but, everyone calls him Eggman, because it's his nickname.

I'm just saying this because Dr. Eggman was the only name on the poll (my big mistake,sorry:() so please, consider him "Dr. Ivo Robotnik (A.K.A. Dr. Eggman)" as the real answer, thank you.

Dr Shaneman
05-05-2009, 11:04
I think you should go into politics Doc:
Dr. Shaneman: Anti-discrimination. Pro-Murder.
It has been a thought before.

sggg chalky
07-05-2009, 12:40
Robotnik IS the villain for the Sonic series!

However i am glad to see Metal Sonic (wasn't he called Metalix in the comic?) running second.

He is definitely the best Sub-boss in the series so far

Gavvie
07-05-2009, 18:29
Back after months, and the winner keeps being Eggman... I liked the idea of Emerl, but anyway.
(Dr. Ivo Robotnik? I don't remember putting that name, but still, he's called what he's called)

Ok, just to let everyone now, Dr. Ivo Robotnik (or Dr. Eggman) it's the official name of Sonic Arch-nemesis outside Japan since the beginning, but, since Sonic Adventure, SEGA of Japan decided to his the name with the other one for the rest of the world; So yeah, he's Dr Ivo Robotnik, but, everyone calls him Eggman, because it's his nickname.

I'm just saying this because Dr. Eggman was the only name on the poll (my big mistake,sorry:() so please, consider him "Dr. Ivo Robotnik (A.K.A. Dr. Eggman)" as the real answer, thank you.

I believe we changed it from Eggman to Robotnik to appeal to the Sonic fans here who didn't like the name change. Don't be sorry about it, it's not that big a deal :p

Dr Shaneman
07-05-2009, 21:18
In Sonic Adventure they use both.

Gavvie
17-05-2009, 16:06
It is most likely that Metal Sonic is really what Sonic would be if he was robotosized.

Well gee, thanks for that. I would never have been able to figure out that Metal Sonic would've been what Sonic would be like if he was turned into a robot.

Mena
17-05-2009, 16:09
Well gee, thanks for that. I would never have been able to figure out that Metal Sonic would've been what Sonic would be like if he was turned into a robot.

No no no no, Metal Sonic is what Sonic would have been like if Sonic was metal!! :biggrin:

Gavvie
17-05-2009, 16:14
Another revelation! I don't think my mind can sustain all these new theories that are floating about.